Hello,
My name is Stepan and i'm male 22. I live in hot, sunny, humid environment (United Arab Emirates), and my redness started about 5-6 months ago.
I've got problem with my face and want to try your products, please read my symptoms. About 5-6 month ago i first noticed redness comes on my face and ears when i was angry a lot as redness didn't go fast or at normal rate, it stayed a little more, but it did after i calm down my temper. Few weeks later, my cheeks and chest become slitly red, redness didn't go away anymore from my cheeks. I visited a dermatologist, describing these symptoms: my face, skin, and body become very sensitive. My cheecks are red and when they become more red, mostly of tensions and/or emotions and when i smoked immediatly redness comes, i felt a lot of burning in my cheeks and pressure my head.
So doctor told my it because of the sun and prescribed after sun lotion, and skin whitening cream for a week or two. After, treatment my redness and burning increased. I become even more sensitive and redness started on my jaw and my nose. Just few days ago i noticed redness started on my chin.
Also, about 3-4 month ago i had chicken pox, which clearly shows that my immune system was down and i know that it is down coz i had big stress and shock.
After, i went to many many dermatologists, all of them tell me different story: like, sunburn, atopic dermatitis, body hypersensitivity due to sun exposure. One doctor took my blood, stool, urius test, he told me that it's not skin problem, but vessels. After test, he found that in my blood allergy level is higher that normal, I think he ment testosteron level is hi, and also that i have sleeping bacteria in my urius. After using his allergy pills, antibiotics, and skin whitening, my skin become really irritated. My face looked like hell red all of it, except forehead. So i went to another doctor, and he told me it's Rosacea, and i'm using Roaccutane now as he said it work for rosacea besides acne that i don't have. Also, i'm using dumozol, which actually remooves redness when applyed.
As for now, my symptoms are as following:
I don't have any acne, though recently tiny small witehead appeared on my forehead (they almost disappeared after i started Roaccutane) and one big normal pimple on my forehead. My cheecks, jaws, nose, chin, ears, and chest are red. Also, skin on my cheeks looks like pores are open (like small holes), and on my left ear few thin visible vessels appeared of red color. And it's not itching, but burning a lot when trigered. My skin become sensitive, dry and pealing. And, my left eye is jumpy, it's like something keep moving in it.
Everything that trigger Rocases sufferers, works for me (e.g. sun, heat, alcohol, spicy food, exercises, hot water, emotions like: anger, fear, nerves, tensions). Redness comes when triggered and goes to it's minimum state when i'm relaxed and not affected by triggers. Especially redness slight in the morning when i just wake up and evening. When it comes i feel like pressure comes to my head and it starts burning in my cheeks and i become red, sun and indoor heat are the biggest here, i'm talking if i just get my hand under a bit hot water, or 1 minute under light sun my face turn red. I noticed if i put sunscreen on my face it looks much whiter. This pressure is like flushing or blushing, and my redness on face looks like a rash.
No, what are possible causes:
1) I was going to gym, sauna, steam, beaches every week, and didn't use any sunscreen.
2) I was madly in love and had this problem with this girl (a lots lots lots of tensions), and when it was over my redness stayed more. I was really obsessed, very angry, stressed, and nervous on a logn term.
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Is there any way to find out if i have demodex, i'm sort of sure that i have coz of immune system. If not are there any side effects from your products? And can i order using anything else besides credit card?
Facial redness/ rosacea / have questions
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One more thing
It looks like soon acne gonna break out on my forehead and it's little itchy. Skin became rough on forehead as well.
Also i want to know which creams is better to use for me?
And is it possible to use Roaccutane along?
Awaiting for your reply
Also i want to know which creams is better to use for me?
And is it possible to use Roaccutane along?
Awaiting for your reply
Hello
Without doing a test it is difficult to say if demodex mites are involved in your case, the only way to be sure is doing a test like described in our FAQ
but probably very difficult to find a derm who is willing/knows to do a demodex mite test so then the only option is just try.
Stress/love problems can indeed compromises your immune system.
The Zhongzhou ointment is a sulfur and zinc product, the Fumanling metronidazole, people can be allergic for everything so it is always possible
that you can not use one of this two products, the ZZ normally doesn?t give any side effects, metronidazole can give itch, metal taste in the mouth
and some more but most of the time nothing happens, roacutane can give a lot more side effects.
We advice to start with using the Fumanling in the morning and the Zhongzhou in the evening.
The difference between the two products is that the Fumanling besides herbs has 3% metronidazole inside,
the Zhongzhou has not but they are both made to achieve the same, eliminating demodex mites.
It is hard to say which is the best one, the Fumanling or the Zhongzhou, the Zhongzhou is probable the best one
but it depends from person to person.
The Zhongzhou has a little disadvantage, it is a bit more difficult to apply because
it can leave a bit of a white shine behind and can also be a bit drying, that is why better (or more easy)
to use it in the evening.
The Fumanling is more moisturizing and is invisible so best to use the Fumanling in the morning and
the Zhongzhou in the evening and see how your skin reacts first.
Yes, you can keep on using a LOW dose of acutane.
Other payment options are, Western union money transfer or Bank transfer.
Walter
Without doing a test it is difficult to say if demodex mites are involved in your case, the only way to be sure is doing a test like described in our FAQ
but probably very difficult to find a derm who is willing/knows to do a demodex mite test so then the only option is just try.
Stress/love problems can indeed compromises your immune system.
The Zhongzhou ointment is a sulfur and zinc product, the Fumanling metronidazole, people can be allergic for everything so it is always possible
that you can not use one of this two products, the ZZ normally doesn?t give any side effects, metronidazole can give itch, metal taste in the mouth
and some more but most of the time nothing happens, roacutane can give a lot more side effects.
We advice to start with using the Fumanling in the morning and the Zhongzhou in the evening.
The difference between the two products is that the Fumanling besides herbs has 3% metronidazole inside,
the Zhongzhou has not but they are both made to achieve the same, eliminating demodex mites.
It is hard to say which is the best one, the Fumanling or the Zhongzhou, the Zhongzhou is probable the best one
but it depends from person to person.
The Zhongzhou has a little disadvantage, it is a bit more difficult to apply because
it can leave a bit of a white shine behind and can also be a bit drying, that is why better (or more easy)
to use it in the evening.
The Fumanling is more moisturizing and is invisible so best to use the Fumanling in the morning and
the Zhongzhou in the evening and see how your skin reacts first.
Yes, you can keep on using a LOW dose of acutane.
Other payment options are, Western union money transfer or Bank transfer.
Walter
Hello Walter,
Thank you for your reply. Yes, i'm not sure myself if this is a case of demodex. I was checking with local dermatologists/hospitals if they make test for Demodex, and haven't found one yet. However, one eye specialist do this kind of test, i suppose if demodex is on my skin it also should be on my eyelashes as well. Besides, i don't say i have any problem with my eyes, but my left eye is jumpy and lower eyelashe is just keep moving by itself like something is moving it. Basically i do have flashing rosacea, rather that acne rosacea. Do you think i should take this test on my eyelashes?
By the way did you guys have success with treating flushing rosacea and/or anyone who reported good results similar to my case?
Thank you,
Stepan Mavrin
Thank you for your reply. Yes, i'm not sure myself if this is a case of demodex. I was checking with local dermatologists/hospitals if they make test for Demodex, and haven't found one yet. However, one eye specialist do this kind of test, i suppose if demodex is on my skin it also should be on my eyelashes as well. Besides, i don't say i have any problem with my eyes, but my left eye is jumpy and lower eyelashe is just keep moving by itself like something is moving it. Basically i do have flashing rosacea, rather that acne rosacea. Do you think i should take this test on my eyelashes?
By the way did you guys have success with treating flushing rosacea and/or anyone who reported good results similar to my case?
Thank you,
Stepan Mavrin
Update.
I have taken test on demodex folliculorum from an eye doctor, he basically took few of my eyelashes. He seems to not find any demodex, however he told me that there is also demodex brevis which is found on the skin and not eyes. I try to take skin test this time.
Funny thing is that i notice when applying dumozol cream (which kills enfection under the skin), my skin become immediatly whiter. Also my pores are very open on my cheecks like small holes. And food even if i try any citrus juice like lemon or so, reaction come to very red face. I don't think it's any problem with vessels which mostly in real rosacea, how can lemon juice stimulate vessels. Then when one of general doctors took my blood he found that white cells are in greater numbers that it supposed to be, and this shows that i have bacterial inside, i suppose it could be Helicobacter pylori bacteria which alter demodex. I'm more and more think that it has something to do with demodex, what you think?
I have taken test on demodex folliculorum from an eye doctor, he basically took few of my eyelashes. He seems to not find any demodex, however he told me that there is also demodex brevis which is found on the skin and not eyes. I try to take skin test this time.
Funny thing is that i notice when applying dumozol cream (which kills enfection under the skin), my skin become immediatly whiter. Also my pores are very open on my cheecks like small holes. And food even if i try any citrus juice like lemon or so, reaction come to very red face. I don't think it's any problem with vessels which mostly in real rosacea, how can lemon juice stimulate vessels. Then when one of general doctors took my blood he found that white cells are in greater numbers that it supposed to be, and this shows that i have bacterial inside, i suppose it could be Helicobacter pylori bacteria which alter demodex. I'm more and more think that it has something to do with demodex, what you think?
Not necessarily, there can be demodex on your face but not on the eyelashes and of course, the other way around.
If you could find a dermatologist who wants to do a test that would be great, then you are sure but it needs to be
one who knows how to do, otherwise they will not find them.
An other option is just try, with only one jar you come already a long way and is probable cheaper then going to
dermatologists who doesn?t know anything from demodex mites anyway.
Walter
If you could find a dermatologist who wants to do a test that would be great, then you are sure but it needs to be
one who knows how to do, otherwise they will not find them.
An other option is just try, with only one jar you come already a long way and is probable cheaper then going to
dermatologists who doesn?t know anything from demodex mites anyway.
Walter
Yes, Walter i really want to try your products. I almost prey everyday to have demodex and not this flushing rosacea. It feels like nothing please my life anymore, i mean to have at 50 years who cares, but at my age 22 when life has just began.. damn.
Anyways, is there any way/test to find out if it's my flushing rosacea or demodex problem. I read somewhere that if Helicobacter pylori bacteria found in the stomak then demodex is active. And also i found out that they make this test in local hospital.
How does demodex outbreak redness? See when i go under the sun, just few minutes and/or seconds and my face become more red immediatly and it's burning. Also same as if when i wake up under good conditioning in the bedroom face is okay, but when i go to bathroom where no conditioning and it quite hot, my face star turning red on my eyes. And especially tentions/anger. Redness seem to pass to mild when i'm calm, relaxed, and not affected by heat.
Regards.
Anyways, is there any way/test to find out if it's my flushing rosacea or demodex problem. I read somewhere that if Helicobacter pylori bacteria found in the stomak then demodex is active. And also i found out that they make this test in local hospital.
How does demodex outbreak redness? See when i go under the sun, just few minutes and/or seconds and my face become more red immediatly and it's burning. Also same as if when i wake up under good conditioning in the bedroom face is okay, but when i go to bathroom where no conditioning and it quite hot, my face star turning red on my eyes. And especially tentions/anger. Redness seem to pass to mild when i'm calm, relaxed, and not affected by heat.
Regards.
Hi Stephen,
I did the test for demodex on my skin myself but didn't find any, however, since I've been using the zz cream my skin has improved dramatically anyway.
I think it's worth trying the products regardless of whether you're able to find a doc who will test for demodex especially, as Walter rightly said, they'll charge you to do the test and might not know exactly how to do it.
Good luck,
CJ
I did the test for demodex on my skin myself but didn't find any, however, since I've been using the zz cream my skin has improved dramatically anyway.
I think it's worth trying the products regardless of whether you're able to find a doc who will test for demodex especially, as Walter rightly said, they'll charge you to do the test and might not know exactly how to do it.
Good luck,
CJ
Hi Walter and All,
I have supplied same eye doctor with video of how to do demodex test, he has replied today and ready to make the test. He seems to be knowledgeable about demodex and find test to be easy taken. However, i just want to find out few details like: is there anything should be done prior to test taking? I hear that it's better not to wash your face for about 10 days and not to use anything (e.g. creams) on the face?
Right now i'm using dumozol cream every evening, which actually takes care of demodex and it really made difference in my redness. Also, i'm using sunscreen every morning. Washing face about 3-4 time daily.
Walter can you suggest whether i should do anything to maximize test success (e.g. not washing my face and not using any suncreen, creams)?
Stepan
I have supplied same eye doctor with video of how to do demodex test, he has replied today and ready to make the test. He seems to be knowledgeable about demodex and find test to be easy taken. However, i just want to find out few details like: is there anything should be done prior to test taking? I hear that it's better not to wash your face for about 10 days and not to use anything (e.g. creams) on the face?
Right now i'm using dumozol cream every evening, which actually takes care of demodex and it really made difference in my redness. Also, i'm using sunscreen every morning. Washing face about 3-4 time daily.
Walter can you suggest whether i should do anything to maximize test success (e.g. not washing my face and not using any suncreen, creams)?
Stepan
Wow, you are lucky to find a doctor who is open minded enough to do the test, washing doesn?t influence the mites, creams depends on which one, I tried to find dumozol, it is a 1% metronidazole cream isn't it?
will not do so much against demodex mites. anyway, maybe better not to use the cream prior to the test, just to be sure.
The mites live to deep in the skin to be reached, so even if you wash your face whole day you will not bother them much and they have time enough to mate when you sleep, sunscreen also doesn?t help against the mites so????????
The most important for the test to succeed is pushing hard enough so even if they are in the sebaceous glands you will get some.
let us know the result and good luck
Walter
will not do so much against demodex mites. anyway, maybe better not to use the cream prior to the test, just to be sure.
The mites live to deep in the skin to be reached, so even if you wash your face whole day you will not bother them much and they have time enough to mate when you sleep, sunscreen also doesn?t help against the mites so????????
The most important for the test to succeed is pushing hard enough so even if they are in the sebaceous glands you will get some.
let us know the result and good luck
Walter
Update
Hi Wallter and all,
Well, i finally had my test done, but doctor was doing it on the skin for the first time so it wasn't that professional, so i'm not sure if it was done the right way. He found some demodex, and i looked at it myself, they were the small once rather that long, and they were not mooving it's like they were frozen or sleeping. Also, i didn't had infestation as there were few of them like 6 or so.
So, anyway i still wan't to give it a try. Though, i wan't to try xfml more, rather thatn zz. I beleave it might be a better help for me as i had good reaction to metronidazole in small amount, it helps to reduse inflamation immediatly.
I got question for you Wallter:
XFML will take care of bacteria, demodex, and other germs, won't it?
Can it have any side effects or skin erritation or do any harm even if i don't have demodex problem?
How to know if it gives any allergic reaction or erritation and not killing mites?
How long should i use it to see if it helps or not?
Please note that i don't have any itch, acne. It's more that my face is faded red or pink more in butterfly shape (similar to DR.Nase), and it turn quit red when affected by trigers. Pores on cheeks are wide open, and it looks like pre-papules are on forehead, above eyebrows.
Thanks for your help again.
P.S. I want to try zz as well, but think xfml is better for me. What you think?
Well, i finally had my test done, but doctor was doing it on the skin for the first time so it wasn't that professional, so i'm not sure if it was done the right way. He found some demodex, and i looked at it myself, they were the small once rather that long, and they were not mooving it's like they were frozen or sleeping. Also, i didn't had infestation as there were few of them like 6 or so.
So, anyway i still wan't to give it a try. Though, i wan't to try xfml more, rather thatn zz. I beleave it might be a better help for me as i had good reaction to metronidazole in small amount, it helps to reduse inflamation immediatly.
I got question for you Wallter:
XFML will take care of bacteria, demodex, and other germs, won't it?
Can it have any side effects or skin erritation or do any harm even if i don't have demodex problem?
How to know if it gives any allergic reaction or erritation and not killing mites?
How long should i use it to see if it helps or not?
Please note that i don't have any itch, acne. It's more that my face is faded red or pink more in butterfly shape (similar to DR.Nase), and it turn quit red when affected by trigers. Pores on cheeks are wide open, and it looks like pre-papules are on forehead, above eyebrows.
Thanks for your help again.
P.S. I want to try zz as well, but think xfml is better for me. What you think?
Citrus and short ones.
Dear Stephan:
Yes, I also had reactions to citrus. Grapefruit made sore hard bumps on my face. The bumps were red. They did not break open. They went away after a week.
I had short Demodex and long ones. The long ones went away in a few months. The short ones took a year or more. Once I started Walter's treatments, I had almost no problems from any mites. Maybe I had an itch, but no more bad acne.
I am so glad your doctor did the test. Your doctor is a good person to agree to test your eyelashes. Nice that you got to see the pests for yourself!
Maybe the number of mites was low because of the things you do to keep your skin clean. Maybe you used medication in the weeks before your test. For sure, the short mites would be the ones to appear in the test. They are strong and hard to kill.
The XFML will probably work for you. If you also try the ZZ, it cannot hurt your skin. It would be good to see first if the XFML works -- I think.
The XFML works for me when I have small papules and small bumps.
I do not have reactions to citrus anymore. I also had reactions to tomatoes -- especially unripe ones. Tomatoes do not bother me anymore. It can only be because the Demodex is gone. That is the only thing that changed in my health.
Holes in your skin? Yes. I had holes. I still have some holes. They get better. I cannot tell you how much they get better. I do not know how long before they get better. I can say that mine got better as each month went past. They are still getting better.
Stephan, I wish you the best for healing soon. While you wait to heal, make sure that you think about things other than your skin. We cannot allow our skin to make our life stop.
--Marla
Yes, I also had reactions to citrus. Grapefruit made sore hard bumps on my face. The bumps were red. They did not break open. They went away after a week.
I had short Demodex and long ones. The long ones went away in a few months. The short ones took a year or more. Once I started Walter's treatments, I had almost no problems from any mites. Maybe I had an itch, but no more bad acne.
I am so glad your doctor did the test. Your doctor is a good person to agree to test your eyelashes. Nice that you got to see the pests for yourself!
Maybe the number of mites was low because of the things you do to keep your skin clean. Maybe you used medication in the weeks before your test. For sure, the short mites would be the ones to appear in the test. They are strong and hard to kill.
The XFML will probably work for you. If you also try the ZZ, it cannot hurt your skin. It would be good to see first if the XFML works -- I think.
The XFML works for me when I have small papules and small bumps.I do not have reactions to citrus anymore. I also had reactions to tomatoes -- especially unripe ones. Tomatoes do not bother me anymore. It can only be because the Demodex is gone. That is the only thing that changed in my health.
Holes in your skin? Yes. I had holes. I still have some holes. They get better. I cannot tell you how much they get better. I do not know how long before they get better. I can say that mine got better as each month went past. They are still getting better.
Stephan, I wish you the best for healing soon. While you wait to heal, make sure that you think about things other than your skin. We cannot allow our skin to make our life stop.
--Marla