Hey, I'm new to this board, stumbled across this website after looking into seabuckthorn oil and its effects for the skin.
Anyways, I just want to discuss some things, so I have more information.
I've been reading into methods to treat acne, And I do not beleive in western modern medicine at all really, all North American medicine seems to do is just try to wipe out the symptoms, rather than getting to the source. When i visited my dermatoligist about my acne a few months back, took him no more than 1 minuite to push acutane. Acutane is just hideous for your body. Infact, my Uncle almost died years ago from taking this medication, caused him to hemoriage, and he had internal bleeding, even made his acne significantly worse to which they ended up having to sand his face.
But back to the questions, upon all my research from different alternative medicine sources, I've found soo many things they credit to the cause of acne. And though I do strongly beleive in all sorts of parasites and the negative effects they have on the body. But I need some things puzzled in.
Some of the sources I've read, is that acne is caused by your body's in-ability to remove its toxins, which are then expelled through your skin which can cause acne infections. This can be caused by lower liver/kidney functions, slow digestive track, and lack of anti oxidents in your body. Milk Thistle is a good herb to take because of its liver regeneration abilities, also eating lots of fruits and vegetables, and lowering consumption of refined sugars, dairy and redmeats (cause of hormones) and other toxicating foods.
So how does wiping out demodex parasites solve this problem? But then again you can have the poorest eaters that just pig out on sugars and faten up till they are diabetics, using antibiotics full of hormones and bad toxins and they do not have acne.
And also how do demodex parasites only effect certain people and not all, like how can you be immuned to having these parasites remove nutrients from your skin, and excrete toxins into it?
And then theres the thing that, acne tends to fade away after your out of you head toward your mid 20's. Like is this because they only frolic in over active sebum glands. I know as you start producing more sebum oil because of hormone changes that you can create a better breeding ground for them... but when this stops, the parasites are still in your skin if you havent removed them, so why does the acne tend to stop?
Anyways Theres sooo many different ideas. I just need help linking them together.
Also have you heard of the soap called Face Doctor, its supposed to be similar to this Z cream, same key active ingredients, and they both kill demodex parasites.
Anyways thanks in advance for your help.
Questions about Acne & Demodex
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Hello Curt, welcome to our forum.
Yes, acutane is not the safest drug, I am surprised it is still allowed to get so easily.
Most of the time, food has not so much to do with acne, I red and heard already so many things in my life, no chokolade, no smoking, no alcohol no this no that,
so many reasons for acne as there are kinds of food.
I was an acne sufferer all my life myself since I was teenager and whatever I tried with food, nothing ever helped, no diference at all.
Probable, food will have some influence since what you eat is what you are but is there ever a serious study done about eating habits and the related
acne results?
are there groups (races) of people who have more or les acne because of their eating habits?
Not that I know, there are so many reasons given for the cause of acne and maybe in some cases they are right (not to forget the placebo effect)
but in general the demodex mites are the biggest reason, at least 80%.
What is acne?
infections from the hair follicles or/and sebaceous glands right?
why?
bacteria??????..but how get those bacteria so deep into your skin?
Making to much sebum automatically creates acne?
no, not necessarily, the reason to much sebum creates acne is because this is the perfect breading ground for demodex mites,
they start to multiply, block the pores, destroy the sebaceous glands, bringing bacteria from the surface of the skin in the hair follicles
and sebaceous glands and worse of all, when they die and decompose in your skin, their host specific bacteria from their guts are exposed
into your skin, creating infections and even allergies, rosacea and thickening skin (noses)
All nothing to do with food, maybe indirectly, food can make a little difference in sebum production and/or the working of the immune system but that is
not the sole reason, only can make some influences.
Or example, if mites are the reason, why can acutane work then?
Well, acutane creates a lot of changes in your skin and stops the sebaceous glands making a lot of sebum, making the living circumstances for
this mites bad so their numbers becoming very low to none, a person who takes acutane for a longer time gives almost all the time negative for demodex mites, result,
no acne anymore in most cases, pity enough, after some time the problem can start again.
Most other acne products are working against bacteria but don?t take the reason away those bacteria go into the skin in the first place,
those products should work well in those cases the reason is pure bacterial and not because of demodex mites, around 15% of all acne?s.
Why some people have problems with demodex mites and others not, nobody knows, the problems are most of the time directly related to the
amount of mites but not always, sometimes there are found a lot of mites on people with a normal looking skin and les mites on a problem skin but this doesn?t
mean that people with a lot of mites will not get problems in future, suddenly because of one reason or the other the problems can start, extreme cold,
extreme heat, a scabies infection, all possible triggers.
I all depends from person to person, there are no serious studies done in this respect so nobody exactly knows.
When teenagers becoming older, their hormone levels come back to normal, sebaceous glands are making les sebum and because of this,
the mite population shrinks back to a very low level or none in some cases, they just can not survive anymore.
It is more complex then this, in some cases for example, demodex mites can also multiply well without overproducing sebaceous glands but lets just
speak in general otherwise this will take hours.
Eliminating demodex mites is a very difficult task, not easy and it takes time, this is probable one of the reasons this mites are in our medical system not related
to acne etc because they are so difficult to eliminate, with what western medicine are you going to do this?
The eggs and nymphs are covered with a seal which nothing can penetrate, impossible to kill, the only way is to kill the
mature mites when they are surfacing or close to the surface, demodex foliculorum lives in the hair follicles, relatively close to the surface
of the skin and they often surface so they are the most easy to kill, demodex brevis almost never surfaces and lives much deeper in the sebaceous glands,
this are the most hard ones to eliminate, knowing this, it is easy to understand that the only way to eliminate them is a continuous treatment
with a safe to use product but strong enough to kill them, every time a adult mite has the possibility to mate and lay eggs, the cycle starts again.
Probable, you can have the same results with using pesticides on your skin for months but I wonder how your skin would look after doing this.
About soap. tel me, how can you achieve this with a soap which is only for some minutes on your skin?
soap can be a help but not a treatment, also not our soap.
Also, the active ingredients are total different then the Zhongzhou ointment, for sure not the same,
the face doctor soap is based on seabucthorn oil, I believe this soap is very good and can help a lot of people but we are speaking here about eliminating demodex mites,
not just killing some.
I red already so many times people who are using so called demodex mites treatments with bad or no result, the conclusion
then is that this demodex mite theory is crap but they don?t realize it is not the theory but the product they used which is the crap.
The Zhongzhou ointment is a medicine, went true all the testing stages, the same as in the west and has written proof it really eliminates
demodex mites, not the same, and???.we see the results every day.
Once again, eliminating demodex mites complately is necessary to have the expected results, not easy to do, can take time and in the first weeks
there can become additional problems like breakouts, red skin, dry skin, even itch sometimes, this all because of killing a lot of mites
in a short time, this means a lot of bacteria and antigens in your skin, much more then when the mites have their normal cycle,
most of the time, after a couple of weeks the most mites are gone and on the way towards healing.
Walter
Yes, acutane is not the safest drug, I am surprised it is still allowed to get so easily.
Most of the time, food has not so much to do with acne, I red and heard already so many things in my life, no chokolade, no smoking, no alcohol no this no that,
so many reasons for acne as there are kinds of food.
I was an acne sufferer all my life myself since I was teenager and whatever I tried with food, nothing ever helped, no diference at all.
Probable, food will have some influence since what you eat is what you are but is there ever a serious study done about eating habits and the related
acne results?
are there groups (races) of people who have more or les acne because of their eating habits?
Not that I know, there are so many reasons given for the cause of acne and maybe in some cases they are right (not to forget the placebo effect)
but in general the demodex mites are the biggest reason, at least 80%.
What is acne?
infections from the hair follicles or/and sebaceous glands right?
why?
bacteria??????..but how get those bacteria so deep into your skin?
Making to much sebum automatically creates acne?
no, not necessarily, the reason to much sebum creates acne is because this is the perfect breading ground for demodex mites,
they start to multiply, block the pores, destroy the sebaceous glands, bringing bacteria from the surface of the skin in the hair follicles
and sebaceous glands and worse of all, when they die and decompose in your skin, their host specific bacteria from their guts are exposed
into your skin, creating infections and even allergies, rosacea and thickening skin (noses)
All nothing to do with food, maybe indirectly, food can make a little difference in sebum production and/or the working of the immune system but that is
not the sole reason, only can make some influences.
Or example, if mites are the reason, why can acutane work then?
Well, acutane creates a lot of changes in your skin and stops the sebaceous glands making a lot of sebum, making the living circumstances for
this mites bad so their numbers becoming very low to none, a person who takes acutane for a longer time gives almost all the time negative for demodex mites, result,
no acne anymore in most cases, pity enough, after some time the problem can start again.
Most other acne products are working against bacteria but don?t take the reason away those bacteria go into the skin in the first place,
those products should work well in those cases the reason is pure bacterial and not because of demodex mites, around 15% of all acne?s.
Why some people have problems with demodex mites and others not, nobody knows, the problems are most of the time directly related to the
amount of mites but not always, sometimes there are found a lot of mites on people with a normal looking skin and les mites on a problem skin but this doesn?t
mean that people with a lot of mites will not get problems in future, suddenly because of one reason or the other the problems can start, extreme cold,
extreme heat, a scabies infection, all possible triggers.
I all depends from person to person, there are no serious studies done in this respect so nobody exactly knows.
When teenagers becoming older, their hormone levels come back to normal, sebaceous glands are making les sebum and because of this,
the mite population shrinks back to a very low level or none in some cases, they just can not survive anymore.
It is more complex then this, in some cases for example, demodex mites can also multiply well without overproducing sebaceous glands but lets just
speak in general otherwise this will take hours.
Eliminating demodex mites is a very difficult task, not easy and it takes time, this is probable one of the reasons this mites are in our medical system not related
to acne etc because they are so difficult to eliminate, with what western medicine are you going to do this?
The eggs and nymphs are covered with a seal which nothing can penetrate, impossible to kill, the only way is to kill the
mature mites when they are surfacing or close to the surface, demodex foliculorum lives in the hair follicles, relatively close to the surface
of the skin and they often surface so they are the most easy to kill, demodex brevis almost never surfaces and lives much deeper in the sebaceous glands,
this are the most hard ones to eliminate, knowing this, it is easy to understand that the only way to eliminate them is a continuous treatment
with a safe to use product but strong enough to kill them, every time a adult mite has the possibility to mate and lay eggs, the cycle starts again.
Probable, you can have the same results with using pesticides on your skin for months but I wonder how your skin would look after doing this.
About soap. tel me, how can you achieve this with a soap which is only for some minutes on your skin?
soap can be a help but not a treatment, also not our soap.
Also, the active ingredients are total different then the Zhongzhou ointment, for sure not the same,
the face doctor soap is based on seabucthorn oil, I believe this soap is very good and can help a lot of people but we are speaking here about eliminating demodex mites,
not just killing some.
I red already so many times people who are using so called demodex mites treatments with bad or no result, the conclusion
then is that this demodex mite theory is crap but they don?t realize it is not the theory but the product they used which is the crap.
The Zhongzhou ointment is a medicine, went true all the testing stages, the same as in the west and has written proof it really eliminates
demodex mites, not the same, and???.we see the results every day.
Once again, eliminating demodex mites complately is necessary to have the expected results, not easy to do, can take time and in the first weeks
there can become additional problems like breakouts, red skin, dry skin, even itch sometimes, this all because of killing a lot of mites
in a short time, this means a lot of bacteria and antigens in your skin, much more then when the mites have their normal cycle,
most of the time, after a couple of weeks the most mites are gone and on the way towards healing.
Walter
Thanks for your long reply walter.
Yeah I have heard that some people make all sorts of diet changes and results dont usually come.
But the main thing with the diet changes, is that you eliminate sugars, proccessed foods, white flours, and refined carbohydrates. And you supliment them with fruits and vegetables, and protein rich healthy foods.
This promotes more minerals and vitamins in your body which boosts your immune system and gives your body the tools to repair and heal itself faster.
For example two people using this Z cream, I bet the person with the more nutriented body will recover and heal faster than somebody with a crappy fast food and processed food diet right?
They also say exercise is extremely good for acne because, sweating detoxifies your body, some pesticides and toxins we consume can only be removed by sweating. It also balances your hormones which will cut down your activity of the sebum oil glands. And increased/better circulation in your body means your blood can carry nutrients/proteins to different parts of your body quickly and heal faster.
Also you never really touched on toxins, and if your digestive track is slow, people tend to have to excrete toxins through their skin, which can cause more acne, but my argument to this is then why dont you get acne on your arms and stuff like that right.
About the accutane and causing the demodex mites to die off because of living conditions, This does sound very feasible, because usually when you take accutane, they say your acne will worsen a bit before it gets better, kind of like the Z cream, and I guess you can link both of these to the demodex mites dying as you said.
Also what effect does this cream have on light small acne pits that some can cause?
Anyways I will probably end up trying your product and the soap (since I already ordered some of this soap). I would probably use the soap just to replace my proactive type stuff, and use your cream before bed.
I hope my questions and thoughts are not annoying, It's just I've been processing alooot of information, I'm an information guy, and I always do alot of research on something before I get into it. So I just wanted to have a discussion.
One last question if I decided to order this product. Approx how much would it cost and how long would it take to get it to British Columbia Canada, which is where I live.
Anyways thanks a ton for your information and your time to write.
- Curt
Yeah I have heard that some people make all sorts of diet changes and results dont usually come.
But the main thing with the diet changes, is that you eliminate sugars, proccessed foods, white flours, and refined carbohydrates. And you supliment them with fruits and vegetables, and protein rich healthy foods.
This promotes more minerals and vitamins in your body which boosts your immune system and gives your body the tools to repair and heal itself faster.
For example two people using this Z cream, I bet the person with the more nutriented body will recover and heal faster than somebody with a crappy fast food and processed food diet right?
They also say exercise is extremely good for acne because, sweating detoxifies your body, some pesticides and toxins we consume can only be removed by sweating. It also balances your hormones which will cut down your activity of the sebum oil glands. And increased/better circulation in your body means your blood can carry nutrients/proteins to different parts of your body quickly and heal faster.
Also you never really touched on toxins, and if your digestive track is slow, people tend to have to excrete toxins through their skin, which can cause more acne, but my argument to this is then why dont you get acne on your arms and stuff like that right.
About the accutane and causing the demodex mites to die off because of living conditions, This does sound very feasible, because usually when you take accutane, they say your acne will worsen a bit before it gets better, kind of like the Z cream, and I guess you can link both of these to the demodex mites dying as you said.
Also what effect does this cream have on light small acne pits that some can cause?
Anyways I will probably end up trying your product and the soap (since I already ordered some of this soap). I would probably use the soap just to replace my proactive type stuff, and use your cream before bed.
I hope my questions and thoughts are not annoying, It's just I've been processing alooot of information, I'm an information guy, and I always do alot of research on something before I get into it. So I just wanted to have a discussion.
One last question if I decided to order this product. Approx how much would it cost and how long would it take to get it to British Columbia Canada, which is where I live.
Anyways thanks a ton for your information and your time to write.
- Curt
Not to worry.
Hi, Curt:
If you use the ointment as directed, you can be assured that lifestyle factors and habits become less important in managing your skin's health. Of course you want to continue to give it the best from the inside, while the products work from the outside.
DemodexSolutions products work. It is as simple as that. The products kill the mites. For whatever reason, the mites that are present in human skin become problems in some, and not for others.
In time, your skin texture will even out. In time, your skin will replace itself as best it can. That means less noticeable scars and pits. Some might go away entirely.
Simplify your life and concerns by using Demodex Solutions' products. I did.
Sincerely,
Marla
If you use the ointment as directed, you can be assured that lifestyle factors and habits become less important in managing your skin's health. Of course you want to continue to give it the best from the inside, while the products work from the outside.
DemodexSolutions products work. It is as simple as that. The products kill the mites. For whatever reason, the mites that are present in human skin become problems in some, and not for others.
In time, your skin texture will even out. In time, your skin will replace itself as best it can. That means less noticeable scars and pits. Some might go away entirely.
Simplify your life and concerns by using Demodex Solutions' products. I did.
Sincerely,
Marla
If the objective of the ointment is to kill demodex parasites.
Wouldnt the Royal Rife machine be good to use. (If anyone here has ever heard of it.)
It uses frequencies to eliminate parasites, very similar to the "Zapper" except more advanced since you can target specific frequencies.
This would also solve the problem with killing the sealed "eggs", since frequencies pass through physical objects.
Just a thought.
- Curt
Wouldnt the Royal Rife machine be good to use. (If anyone here has ever heard of it.)
It uses frequencies to eliminate parasites, very similar to the "Zapper" except more advanced since you can target specific frequencies.
This would also solve the problem with killing the sealed "eggs", since frequencies pass through physical objects.
Just a thought.
- Curt
Interesting Thought.
A good thought. I've never heard of the machine, but I have thought along those same lines.Curt wrote:If the objective of the ointment is to kill demodex parasites.
Wouldnt the Royal Rife machine be good to use. (If anyone here has ever heard of it.)
It uses frequencies to eliminate parasites, very similar to the "Zapper" except more advanced since you can target specific frequencies.
This would also solve the problem with killing the sealed "eggs", since frequencies pass through physical objects.
I tried using a strong magnet occasionally. In my biased opinion, it helped slow the process of Demodex reproduction.
What do you think about this?
--Marla
Well have you heard of Dr. Royal Rife?
(can find some info here http://www.rife.org/)
He was the first scientist to build a microscope powerfull enough to see microscopic bacteria and parasites. He ended up developing a machine that targets certain unique frequencys. His theory was based off one of the physical laws of our universe, and that is every organism and object there is has a certain frequency, since we are all made of particles that are constantly moving and colliding it can be classed as a frequency.
So what Rife did with this was create a machine that electronically generates frequencys of any range (theres a dial with certain frequency numbers and a big book of frequencys for various problems, eg. cancer, tape worms, eye degeneration, etc). Anyways this was all developed in the 1930's and Rife's objective was to create a cheap effective way to keep chickens disease free in the poultry industry. He managed to cure 12 chickens without injecting them with antibiotics and drugs that make them less suceptible to disease.
He did other experiments later on such as treating rats that were genetically modified to have cancer, so he actually destroyed the cancer cells curing them making them perfectly healthy.
He ended up winning government endorsements and money for his research, but his lab was burned down and he was killed, and his machines were destroyed. But since then there have been many scientists that mimic his machines with their own versions of the "Rife" machine, even Hulda Clark made her own "zapper" thats based on the same theory.
Anyways, my Aunt has one of these machines (you can buy them online, but they are pretty expensive, like 3 grand), and she has had cancer but shes survived it and credits that to her machine and other alternative medicine herbal remedies.
So what I figure, is a demodex parasite should be relatively easy to kill, considering they are so common and small. Its not like they are a 5 inch tapeworm thats been feeding off your body for years.
I've always been kinda skeptical, like, can that really work, do frequencies kill off parasites. I guess I'll just have to try it. I'm still probably going to order some of that cream just so that I have something I can access all the time, cause i dont have one of those machines so I cant treat myself regularily.
But I'll let you know if that machine does anything.
(can find some info here http://www.rife.org/)
He was the first scientist to build a microscope powerfull enough to see microscopic bacteria and parasites. He ended up developing a machine that targets certain unique frequencys. His theory was based off one of the physical laws of our universe, and that is every organism and object there is has a certain frequency, since we are all made of particles that are constantly moving and colliding it can be classed as a frequency.
So what Rife did with this was create a machine that electronically generates frequencys of any range (theres a dial with certain frequency numbers and a big book of frequencys for various problems, eg. cancer, tape worms, eye degeneration, etc). Anyways this was all developed in the 1930's and Rife's objective was to create a cheap effective way to keep chickens disease free in the poultry industry. He managed to cure 12 chickens without injecting them with antibiotics and drugs that make them less suceptible to disease.
He did other experiments later on such as treating rats that were genetically modified to have cancer, so he actually destroyed the cancer cells curing them making them perfectly healthy.
He ended up winning government endorsements and money for his research, but his lab was burned down and he was killed, and his machines were destroyed. But since then there have been many scientists that mimic his machines with their own versions of the "Rife" machine, even Hulda Clark made her own "zapper" thats based on the same theory.
Anyways, my Aunt has one of these machines (you can buy them online, but they are pretty expensive, like 3 grand), and she has had cancer but shes survived it and credits that to her machine and other alternative medicine herbal remedies.
So what I figure, is a demodex parasite should be relatively easy to kill, considering they are so common and small. Its not like they are a 5 inch tapeworm thats been feeding off your body for years.
I've always been kinda skeptical, like, can that really work, do frequencies kill off parasites. I guess I'll just have to try it. I'm still probably going to order some of that cream just so that I have something I can access all the time, cause i dont have one of those machines so I cant treat myself regularily.
But I'll let you know if that machine does anything.